66 – “Re-enacting the scene humiliated me a lot and I had that feeling of shame again” (part 2)

This is what flatty 66 looks like when re-enacting one of her most humiliating high school experiences

In the last post, we could already read about flatty 66’s own self-assessment and her realization that she has small tits and an ugly face.

As promised, the time has now come to learn about her high school bullying, her masturbation habits and her sad, sexual history.

Let’s start by hearing about her bullying experience in high school

Here is how she describes her most humiliating experience in her own words:

Already in school I was always the flattest in our class, and also in all the other classes. I already had “breasts” at the age of 12, but they did not develop further since. 

Some guys once made a drawing on the blackboard: on the one side, there were large breasts with the subtitle “women’s breasts”. Next to it, there were two small points with the title “Saritha” (my name). That was very embarrassing and very humiliating

– Flatty 66
Not even when she is turning her back is it possible to forget how small and ugly her “tits” are

Even for a stranger, it is painful to think about how humiliated she must have felt as a young teenager.

Her entire class realized how inadequate her tits were, and they openly made fun of her by making humiliating – yet accurate – drawings of her most undeveloped body part on the blackboard, for everyone to see.

Her ugly, tiny tits clearly deserve all the laughter they received

These “tits” are an extremely ugly, uninviting sight

One thing becomes immediately clear from looking at her naked chest: all the laughter, humiliation and ridicule she received was completely justified.

In fact, she can consider herself lucky that she was not humiliated even further.

If the boys had seen her naked, they would not only have made fun of the size of her “tits”.

Were you also bullied because of your tiny tits? Then now is the time to get exposed and find out if you actually deserved it

They would also have found more than enough reason to laugh about her areola, which are too big for tits this small.

And most importantly, they would have laughed at her gigantic nipples, which look completely misplaced on her upper body.

“I was something like the slave of a slave”

When she is lying down, her tiny tits look even tinier

Despite being this ugly, flatty 66 so far had sex with twelve men and two women. Let’s hear about it in her own words:

I had sex with twelve men and two women. Except for the first few times, it was exclusively in a BDSM context, in which I took the obedient, subordinate role. That I get insulted and humiliated is self-evident.

The two women were submissive wives of men who wanted to live out their dominant side. So I was something like the slave of a slave.

– Flatty 66

In a “normal” context, nobody has any sexual interest in a flatty as ugly and inadequate as her. Only when she is willing to be humiliated and abused does she arouse any even remotely sexual interest in others.

It is no wonder that, given this, flatty 66 has become addicted to masturbation. Every day, she gets completely naked and masturbates.

It is a mystery how she can do that without getting completely turned off by the sight of her ugly chest.

Did you expect her tits to be this ugly?

What thoughts went through your mind when you saw the re-enactment of the humiliating drawing from her school time? What did you think when you saw her ugly, inadequate tits?

Share your thoughts and insults in the comments.

66 – “I have an ugly face and very small breasts”

Flat-chested girl in underwear with a wide blue top that makes her tits completely disappear
Do you think she is wearing the strawberry underwear because her tits are as big as strawberries?

Flatty 66 is one of the many flatties who completely throw their dignity out of the window while begging to get exposed and humiliated, and then just stop replying without having completed all her tasks.

Yet while this act of ghosting might limit the supply of humiliating pictures of her inadequate body that can get posted online, it won’t prevent you from laughing at the pictures she already begged me to post online.

“Ugly face with freckles, very small breasts with huge nipples, big butt and overall an unattractive figure”

Flat-chested girl begging to get humiliated
Unfortunately, not being fat is not enough to make you look attractive, flatty

Before judging her (dressed) body, let’s hear about how she views herself.

I became aware of your site while surfing the Internet and could hardly separate myself from it. I am submissive and like it very much when I get humiliated, especially when it comes to my body.

I have an ugly face with freckles, very small breasts (size 70A) with huge nipples, a big butt and an overall an unattractive shape.

– Flatty 66
Do you want to get exposed like flatty 66 and are well-behaved enough to complete all the tasks that you will get? Then get in touch and find out how men and real women really think about your tiny tits.

The good thing that can be said about flatty 66 is that she realizes how ugly she is.

Her tits are clearly too small and protrude as far from her body as her stomach.

She has a fat ass, but the rest of her body is completely unremarkable and unappealing.

What do you think is the ugliest part of flatty 66’s body?

Flatty 66 exposing her ass in a string, with her tits still covered
If anyone ever pities her enough to fuck her, it will be from behind and with her top still on – that way, there is no risk of losing one’s erection due to seeing her “tits”

In the next post, I will share pictures of her naked “tits” – and you will read about her most humiliating experience from high school, how often she masturbates and how many men and women she had sex with.

Until then, share your thoughts about her dressed body and let her know what you think of worthless flatties like her.

By the way, the time has come to expose the face of flatty 63, since she has not completed her punishment. I will probably post it within the next 1-2 weeks. I might not leave it on for long, so make sure to check back regularly.

65 – Even with two nipple piercings, the tiny tits of this flat-chested woman are completely invisible (part 2)

Flat-chested woman with humiliating writing on her tits and two nipple piercings
No, cunt, the piercings don’t make your non-existent tits any more attractive

The whole internet already laughed at how ridiculous this dumb whore with no tits looks in underwear.

Now, it’s time to laugh at how ridiculous she looks naked.

Before reading about her psychological suffering due to her chest’s inadequacies, let’s quickly assess how ugly she really is.

Did you ever wonder if your tits are attractive or ugly? This guide sums up all the official criteria for rating tits

Her tits biggest shortcoming is clearly their size: they are almost non-existent.

They are not symmetrical: the left one on the picture is more saggy than the other one and pointing outwards.

Given their overall size, the areola also seem disproportionately big and the left one is covered in pimples.

Without piercings and humiliating writing, her “tits” would be invisible. But even with both, her upper body is nothing more than a shrine shame, embarrassment and inadequacy.

“All of my friends have bigger tits than I do”

Flat-chested woman covering her naked tits with her hands out of embarrassment and shame
If you hadn’t seen the picture above, you couldn’t possibly tell whether there are any tits underneath her hands

Let’s hear how she herself views her own inadequacies.

When did you first realize that your “tits” are smaller than they should be?

“I first realized my tits are too small when I realized I don’t relate to the pain described by my friends when they are running or using stairs. All of my friends have bigger tits than I do, and sometimes they make fun of me for it. They all talk about things that I can’t really understand because big tits aren’t something I have.”

What was your most humiliating experience related to your small tits?

“My most humiliating moment was when I tried to give a guy a tit job and his dick was bigger than the mosquito bites that are my nonexistent ‘boobs’.”

Tell us a bit more about your sex life and how getting exposed makes you feel.

“I have a high sex drive and usually masturbate at least once a day, but I’ve been busy and pent up lately. Being exposed is incredibly embarrassing but makes me so wet, I’ve really been wanting more encouragement and motivation to get a boob job and having gotten exposed and laughed at pushed me to want to save for one even more.

I won’t be successful if i don’t get real tits, and even then, people will still laugh at me because they are fake, which I deserve for being a natural born flatty. It hurts but it feels right to be humiliated and put in my place. Thank you so much for your use of me so far Sir.” 

What is the most unattractive feature of her ugly, flat body?

Let her know how ugly and inferior she is in the comments. Let’s make sure she realizes that even with fake tits, everyone will still realize how worthless she is.

Do you want to find out if your tits are as small and ugly as hers? Then it’s time to submit pictures and get exposed

65 – This 20 year old says she is a “dumb whore with no tits”

Flat-chested 20 year old slut taking a selfie in "sexy underwear" that looks completely ridiculous due to her non-existent boobs
This 20 year old flatty looks like an absolute joke in her “sexy outfit”

This flat-chested 20 year old begged to be exposed and ridiculed, saying that she is a “dumb whore with no tits”.

But is she?

When I ordered her to send a picture of herself in a sexy outfit, this is what she sent. Yet despite carefully scrutinizing every pixel, I haven’t been able to find anything sexy about it. All we can see is badly colored hair, pale skin, and a completely flat body without any shapes and curves.

Throw in a cheap-looking “dress” with a cheesy print that you wouldn’t want to buy for 5 cents in a second hand store and you have a poor flatty, ready to get humiliated in front of the whole world.

So the “dumb” part really applies.

Does she have any tits? Let’s judge from her underwear pictures

Flat-chested woman exposing her ugly, pale body in mismatching underwear
It’s relatively easy to spot a belly button piercing on this picture – but completely impossible to see any tits

When a man sees an attractive woman in underwear, it takes less than half a second for him to check out her tits. In milliseconds, he can form a judgment on their size, shape and overall attractiveness.

For flatty 65, it takes a minute and a magnifying glass to form a judgment whether we are looking at a woman or a man in female underwear, with a fake piercing and a wig – and even then, it’s more like a 50-50 guess.

If your tits and dignity are as non-existent as hers, gather your courage and beg to get exposed on smalltitshumiliation.com

Assuming for a moment that this is, indeed, a woman: not only are her “tits” totally, 100%, invisible – mostly due to their size, but also due to her stupid decision to wear a bra that has essentially the same color as her skin, making her flat chest even less of a fix point for the eye.

She was also stupid enough to get her belly button pierced, which draws away even more attention from her completely boring, shapeless chest.

Is she too ugly to be a whore? Who would fuck a whore as flat-chested as her?

Flatty 65 presenting herself in mismatched underwear. Her ass is much bigger than her flat-chest, but the sight of her ugly body is embarrassing even to look at
Even this perspective doesn’t make her any more attractive. Yes, her ass is 10x bigger than her flat-chest – but this only accentuates her boy’s weaknesses

Even if one enjoys humiliating flat-chested women, it’s painful to look at pictures such as this for one simple reason: they show off an ugly, misshaped body that was clearly not made to be shown off.

Any man in his right mind would run away the moment her ugly, deformed, titless body of flatty 65 is exposed in ugly, unflattering underwear such as hers.

And yet, she is calling herself a “whore”. It’s unimaginable that anyone would pay to fuck her; even fucking her for money would be quite a stretch.

Yet assuming that you were desperate and needed money: how much would flatty 65 need to pay you for you to even touch her? Share your thoughts, judgments and insults in the comments.

64 – Her chest is so flat that she was called ironing board at school (part 2)

Flat-chested blonde is lifting her top to expose her non-existent tits and rock hard nipples
When real women lift their tops, their tits appear – when this flatty lifts it, all one can see are two nipples and a birthmark

In the last post, flatty 64 already admitted that she doesn’t have any tits and deserves to be laughed at and ridiculed.

In this post, it is time to learn more about her inadequacies as a “woman” and the bullying and humiliation she rightfully had to suffer as a consequence.

With her birthmark, it’s almost impossible to tell where her actual tits are

Flat-chested woman gets aroused and wet from having her tits put on display
Even her constantly hard nipples fail to draw any attention to her flat chest

But before learning more about the humiliating experiences from her past, it is important to analyze her inadequate looks in more detail.

The funniest thing about her tits is the birthmark that she has above the nipple on her right tit in the picture.

The birthmark is almost the exact same size as her nipple, and it is also in the same position, just a little bit higher. Because it is darker than her nipples and her actual tits are completely shapeless, at first sight, her birth mark looks like her real nipple.

The only reason that one is able to tell her “tits” start much lower is the fact that, luckily for her, she only has one birthmark, and not two. Otherwise, her real tits would be completely invisible on pictures.

What other deficiencies and unattractive parts of her body do you find particularly hilarious?

Do you want to find out if your tits look as ridiculous as those of flatty 64? Then it’s time to submit pictures and get exposed

“On a school trip, I was called ironing board Kim by the boys”

Flat-chested woman standing next to an ironing board with humiliating writing on her body
The only thing flat-chested women are good for is as ironing boards

Let’s find out more about her most humiliating experiences in her own words.

What is the most embarrassing/humiliating experience you ever had with your tiny “tits”? 

“There are several. On a school trip, when I was 17 or so, I was called Ironing Board Kim by the boys. And once a man, when I undressed in front of him, said that he would not have thought that my tits are so small and that he is no longer interested in me because of them.”

How did you react and feel when they called you ironing board Kim? How did the other girls react?

“I was pretty pissed off and said something like ‘not even hair on your cocks yet, but big talk.’ The other girls were giggling, of course. I drowned my frustration in red wine.”

What happened when you undressed, did the man just leave, how did you feel? 

“We kissed and cuddled a little. Then we slowly undressed. When I took off my bra, I could immediately see from his look that it was not what he wanted to see. He then said that he wants to be honest, that he likes bigger breasts and that he could not continue. That was a very intense situation for me. I felt really ashamed.

Let’s hope that her school mates would enjoy seeing her exposed and humiliated online next to an ironing board

Blonde with tiny breasts has written "ironing board" on her tits because that is how she was called in high school
Flatty 64 has written “ironing board” on her flat chest

How would you have reacted if you took a woman home and then suddenly realized that she doesn’t have any tits? How would you react and feel if you discovered one of the flatties from your class exposed and humiliated online, with the nickname you gave her written on her “tits”?

Share your thoughts, ideas and insults in the comments.

64 – “Because I have no tits, I have to be laughed at”

A flatty is trying to pull-off a hot, white dress, and fails completely
Even when she is dressed and is putting on a “sexy” outfit, it’s clear that this blonde has no tits at all

In ordinary life, women put on sexy dresses to show off their hot bodies and their perky, voluptuous tits.

Seeing them in a hot outfit, or, later on, in playful lingerie, stimulates the viewers’ mind and fantasy.

Not so for flatties – especially those that want to know if their tits are too small and get exposed on smalltitshumiliation.com.

In the first message they send, they already expose their tiny or even completely non-existent tits. There is nothing left to the fantasy and I know how ugly and inadequate their tits are before I send them the first reply.

Few things are more hilarious than flat-chested women in “hot” outfits

Falt-chested woman wearing a "sexy" outfit that looks completely hideous due to her non-existent tits
There is absolutely no reason for this outfit to include any cups – there is nothing underneath them, other than two nipples hard from embarrassment and shame

Nonetheless, I often ask them for pictures in sexy outfits. Not because it looks hot, but because I want to have a laugh at their expense and fuck with their minds.

It is quite entertaining to see what these flatties consider to be “sexy”. 64 is a perfect example of this. She put on a white dress, under which she looks completely flat.

Even in her black, see-through underwear, one cannot see anything. The reason is simple: there is nothing there. She is completely flat and lacks even the smallest resemblance of tits.

Because I have no tits, I have to be laughed at.

Flatty 64

“Most girls got real breasts, but I didn’t”

Flatty 63 is lying down in what is supposed to be sexy underwear and looks completely ridiculous
Even in this white underwear that is almost as see-through as it gets, the place where women usually have tits remains completely flat, unattractive, and boring

At least, flatty 64 knows how flat she is. Find out a bit more about her in her own words:

How old are you? 

“I am 25 years old.”

What is your bra size? 

“European size 75A.”

When was the first time you realized that your tits are smaller than they should be? 

“That was at school, at the age of 14, when most girls got real breasts, even those who were flat before.”

Share your thoughts and ideas for insulting nicknames in the comments

With tiny tits like hers, it is no wonder that she soon became a victim of bullying and humiliating comments by the boys in her school.

Can you guess what her nickname was? What would you have called a flatty like her in high school if you didn’t care about hurting her feelings?

Share your thoughts and insults in the comments. In one of the future posts, her real nickname (and non-existent tits) will be revealed.

63 – Time is running out before this flatty’s face gets exposed

Flat chested woman with pierced nipples admits that she was cheated on because of her ugliness
A fate most flatties share, knowingly or unknowingly: their partners cheat on them with women with real tits

Flatty 63 still has a potentially ruinous challenge going on: either she eats dog food, or her face gets exposed.

Yet she still has not completed her task – nor has she even bought the delicious dog food that I picked for her.

But before her face gets exposed and her life ruined, even a flat-chested cunt deserves a warning.

Let’s laugh at how she was cheated on with a woman with F cups

An unshaved, swollen cunt with insults written on her skin
Her unshaved, swollen cunt looks almost as unhealthy as her underdeveloped tits

No man with a sex drive could stay faithful to an ugly wannabe slut as her.

Her body is hideous and unattractive. A quick glance at her puffy nipples and disgusting cunt will ruin the hardest boner – and not even viagra can change that.

Let her describe her suffering as a victim of cheating in her own words:

I was 19 when I had sex for the first time. I had sex with my boyfriend, but he couldn’t finish. He ended up cheating on me with a girl I knew, who has huge, perfect breasts, probably an F cup.

– Flatty 63

It is a joy to imagine how her stomach must have twisted in pain from the thought of her boyfriend fucking someone else. The fact that she knew the other girl and was aware of her attractiveness and huge tits only makes the thought more enjoyable.

Most likely, all her friends knew about it. The humiliation must have been intense. But certainly not as intense as the humiliation of having her face exposed or having to eat dog food.

Share your thoughts and insults in the comments

Do you think the other girl thought about her suffering, possibly getting wet from the thought of humiliating her?

As always: share your thoughts and insults in the comments.

63 – “People make fun of them and call them snoopy tits”

Her “tits” are completely gone when covered by her tits

Flatty 63 is special in three ways: she is especially flat, her tits are particularly ugly and she is so desperate and horny that she is digging her own grave with her stupidity.

Let’s start with the first point.

As you can see on the picture with her hands covering her “tits”, she doesn’t have any tits whatsoever – there is not even the tiniest shadow or hint that this might just potentially be the body of a woman, and not a man.

Tuberous tits with large areola and ridiculously looking nipple piercings

When she is not covering her ugly chest, she looks even uglier

Point two: the tiny, tiny part of her “tits” that does exist is ridiculously ugly. The only good thing is that she already knows that.

I recently learned that I have tuberous breasts, which is rare and not much research has been done on it, but people make fun of them and call them snoopy tits.

– Flatty 63

The list of her tits’ flaw is much bigger than her tits themselves.

Not only are they too small, they are also pointing too far away from her body, which looks ridiculous.

Her areola cover half the size of her “tits”, her nipples are not quite centered and the piercing draw even more attention to her ugliest body part.

The genetic flaws of her tuberous tits are clearly visible in this picture

This is what Wikipedia says about tuberous breasts:

Tuberous breasts are not simply small or underdeveloped breasts. The effect of the condition on the appearance of the breast can range from mild to severe, and typical characteristics include enlarged, puffy areola, unusually wide spacing between the breasts, minimal breast tissue, sagging, higher than normal breast fold, and narrow base at the chest wall.

Wikipedia on Tuberous breasts

Clearly, her ugly chest fulfills essentially all of these criteria and she is on the “severe”, not the “mild” end of the spectrum.

One could almost feel sorry for her, suffering from a genetic flaw that she cannot change – if she were not so stupid to draw even more attention to her body’s ugliest part by adding not just one, but two nipple piercings.

I got my piercings last year, I thought maybe it’d make my nipples hard all the time and distract from how large and puffy and droopy they are

– Flatty 63

She craves humiliation and kept begging for humiliating tasks

Point three: Since nobody wants to fuck a woman as “ugly” and deficient as her, all she can do to find at least some kind of sexual fulfillment is masturbate.

She already learned that, if she wants attention, she has to earn it by throwing her dignity out of the window.

And so she kept begging and begging for humiliation, promising she would do whatever I want.

Give me one more task and I’ll complete everything by whatever time you want. I want it to be as humiliating and degrading as possible.

– Flatty 63

“I’ll allow you to post the face pic if I do not eat the dog food”

Do you crave humiliation as desperately as Flatty 63? Then it’s time to get exposed

Yet knowing from experience how often flatties that get exposed feel so terribly ashamed after their exposure that they hide in a corner and cry for months before they eventually come back, I decided to change my approach this time.

After this post, Flatty 63 cannot hide.

If she does not complete her task, she agreed to let me post a picture of her face, knowing that this way, she would have no choice but to obey.

What is this task, you might wonder? Something that no person with dignity, and certainly no attractive woman, would ever agree to: to eat a can of the most disgusting dog food she can find.

“I’ll allow you to post the face pic if I do not eat the dog food”

– Flatty 63

Share your thoughts, insults and ideas for further tasks in the comments

Let her know what you think of her flat chest and tuberous breasts in the comments.

Be as harsh and critical as possible. This flatty has no choice but to read all the comments – and then come back with her next humiliating task completed.

Either, the whole world will see her eat dog food. Or the whole world will see her face. In any case, one thing is clear: that the whole world will laugh at her.

40 – This fat cow gets used by random strangers online

Fat woman without tis and with unshaved pussy exposes and humiliates herself with insults written on her body
It’s really hard to find a “woman” more ugly and unattractive than this fat cow

Flatty number 40 was already exposed a number of times:

Clearly, something is terribly wrong with this flatty. Not just fit her fat, ugly, titless body, but also with her mind – no self-respecting woman would ever complete the tasks she did, not even for a million dollars – and she begs to be allowed to lick toilets, desperate for any attention.

No wonder this ugly cow is still a virgin

Do you want to know if your tits are as ugly as hers? Then get exposed and let the world rate your ugliness

With a body that looks more like a ship wreck than a woman, it’s no wonder that she is still a virgin, despite being 27 by now.

The only thing she can do to achieve any kind of sexual satisfaction is humiliate herself in front of strangers who otherwise wouldn’t even look at her and only pay attention because they laugh at how low a woman can sink:

Since I exposed my self on your website for the first time, I have developed a fetish for being humiliated. I didn’t know i had it before. Actually it’s any kind of attention for my body that I crave.

I am still a virgin and I am 27 now. I am so desperate for attention that I joined some chatting apps and started begging strangers for sexual attention for free. I do whatever they ask me to do.

Most of them are not interested in my body and those that are want me to be punished for having an ugly one. They are random strangers only using me for an hour online and then disappearing.

– Flatty 40

“I’m an ugly cow with ugly udders”

It’s hard to find something with her body that’s not wrong

It’s really hard to find some part of her body that looks good.

Her tits are absolutely tiny, and the areola are way too big. Even when she is pushing them up with her elbows, they look like small man boobs at best.

She is fat, and she is hairy.

And even if she were good looking, no man could respect a woman that licks toilets and drinks toilet water.

What other flaws do you find with her body? Make fun of her in the comments

Fat flat-chested woman with hairy cunt and legs shows her tiny tits and is clearly aroused from the exposure
An ugly cow with ugly udders

Most likely, you need to vomit right after seeing her pictures. Once you come back from cleaning yourself, let her know how ugly she is in the comments. She clearly deserves it.

52 – Drinking pee is all this flatty craves (part 5)

She is so desperate that she is drinking her own pee to get attention from strangers online who laugh at her

In this last post, you could watch this virgin pee in a glass from her freshly shaven pussy. (Thanks for pointing out this ridiculous fact in the comments).

Now, the time has come for her to drink the mess she created.

It’s almost cute to imagine how she has gathered all her strength and courage, probably not masturbated for a few days to let her horniness help her overcome her disgust before she could complete her task.

Apparently this flatty has now accepted her own worthlessness

After the first few posts in which you could guess this flatty’s gender, laugh at her tiny and misshapen tits and make fun of her swollen, cock-like clitoris, she at first rebelled and misbehaved.

But nature has deliberately made her pathetic and inferior, and sooner or later, like all flatties, she had to accept this fact.

She now seems to have finally come to her senses and accepted her place:

Thanks to your posts and their cruelty, I have accepted the fact that I will never have my vagina used. It is ugly and cannot even be redeemed by nice tits, so I do not have anything to offer. 

– Flatty 52

She is now so addicted to pee, she even lets her friends pee in her mouth

Let’s hear her talk about her journey in her own words:

A friend and her husband had been talking about pissing on someone in a sexual way (my friends are way too open with their talks, though this was the first one that was not completely weird to me), but my friend was absolutely disgusted. When they talked about it, I expressed being interested in trying things out, so that led to going to their home.

I was told to take my clothes off which was humiliating, and then they took off theirs, which was also a little bit of a shock because I had never seen someone else naked in real life.

Although they didn’t say anything specific (luckily!), my friend did cup my breasts and say “look how cute these are”, which was pretty cruel considering she has amazing breasts.

She kind of pushed me gently to my knees and her husband stood in front of me, so I was eye level with his penis. She held my jaw and opened my mouth and he aimed at me and pissed.

Men’s piss tastes very different, it was so strong and smelled so awful but my friend closed my mouth forcibly and I took that to mean I needed to swallow it. This whole thing seemed to really excite them because they started kissing each other and then went from the bathroom to their bed. Completely humiliating to be sitting naked in their shower with the taste of piss in my mouth. Still definitely a virgin but defiled.

I wanted to share this since you are essentially the reason that I got there, and even though it is unpleasant, I thought that you might want to hear how effective your posts and comments were.

– Flatty 52

Are you also flat-chested and want to learn to accept your place just as her?

You, too, can have your confidence ruined and dignity destroyed if you have less than C cups

Share your thoughts about this pathetic, worthless virgin in the comments. And if you are as flat and pathetic as her, consider getting exposed as well.